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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 3-4-2012 17:15
标题: 问ABN
我申请ABN时, 显示因我为employee, 而不是employer,所以不能申请ABN,如果继续申请,will go against the Law.

你们是怎么申请到ABN的呢,请指教,
Many thanks!

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 3-4-2012 17:38
你帖个图吧,到哪一步继续不了了

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 3-4-2012 20:20
谢谢!

我是看到谁能申请ABN中有这样一段话:
You are not entitled to an ABN if any of the following statements are true.

Your activity is carried out as an employee or in connection with earning payment as a company director, office holder or under a labour hire arrangement.

(An employee is a person who receives a salary or wage in return for work or services rendered. You are not considered an employee for ABN registration purposes if you have your own business but also receive a salary or wage from an activity related to your business.)

可我们申请几乎都是个人丫~

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 3-4-2012 21:01


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ABN Entitlement - Not Entitled

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On the basis of the information you have provided it appears that you are not currently entitled to be registered for an ABN.
Basis for Decision:
As you have not demonstrated that you have commenced operating an enterprise, or have indicated that your business activities do not constitute an enterprise, you are not entitled to be registered for an ABN.

You provided the following information:
Main Business Activity	OTHER
Have you started trading as an enterprise/business or undertaken activities in establishing your enterprise?	NO
Are you applying for an ABN to operate as a contractor?	NO

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IMPORTANT NOTE

Penalties for applying for an ABN if you are not entitled: If you apply for an ABN and are not entitled to be registered, you may be committing an offence under section 8K of the Taxation Administration Act 1953 by making a false or misleading statement regarding the operation of an enterprise. Persons found guilty of making misleading statements may be prosecuted.

Further information: If you are not satisfied that the outcome reached is a correct response to your particular arrangement(s), Miscellaneous Taxation Ruling 2006/1 may help to determine whether your business activities meet the definition of an enterprise. For further information, contact your Tax Advisor or the Australian Taxation Office on 13 28 66 between the hours of 8am and 6pm weekdays. What to do next: Print out a copy of this ABN entitlement decision for your records. Exit from this ABN application. No personal details have been transferred to the Australian Taxation Office. If after reading the above, you still believe that you are entitled to an ABN then continue the ABN application. Persons making false or misleading statements relating to the operation of an enterprise may be committing an offence under the Taxation Administration Act 1953.

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 3-4-2012 21:42
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倒没有到了哪一步不能继续,而是继续申请有风险.

我回答了几个问题,系统根据我的回答,得出我not entitled.
如果我继续申请步骤,就是offence.

一方面是企业,公司才能申请,另一方面是老板都要雇员的ABN,有点晕了.{:4_151:}
难道是大家都不管这些"offence威胁",申请了再说？！

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 3-4-2012 21:48

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-3 21:12
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倒没有到了哪一步不能继续,而是继续申请有风险.

别着急,把你情况简单说下
然后我给你指导
本人专业bean counter

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 3-4-2012 22:48
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我已经毕业,想找份周末工,labour性质.
老板都要求有ABN.按照这个要求,求职者都要有ABN,这与ABN的申请人的资格要求矛盾吗,困惑ing~
谢谢解答........

"本人专业bean counter"
牛啊{:4_109:}

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 3-4-2012 22:59


图片暂时发不上来.

For taxation purposes which type of entity is the applicant?	Individual (Sole Trader) Company, Partnership, Trust       or Other Organisation Government Organisation Superannuation Entity

我选的是Individual(Sole Trader)

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 3-4-2012 23:14


选完楼上的问题,进入下一页后,有下面的选择:

Are you applying for an ABN to conduct any of the following business activities? Select the option that best relates to the business activity you are engaged in. If more than one activity applies to your situation, you should tick the box/button that relates to the main activity that you will be using the ABN for.

Taxi Driver Sportsperson Professional artist e.g. actor, writer, musician, model Leasing commercial property Renting residential property Apprentice, trade assistant or labourer Other

无论是选Apprentice, trade assistant or labourer,还是Other,进入下一页都是not entitled.

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 3-4-2012 23:55
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不知道你想知道的我写全没?

先谢谢你:)

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 08:09

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-3 22:29
图片暂时发不上来.

我可以先了解下你的工作性质吗？

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 08:32

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-3 23:25
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不知道你想知道的我写全没?

如果是你apprentice, trades assistant或者labourer
按目前的规定你是不可以申请的
所以我想知道你到底是什么性质的工作
在税务局的理论里这些种类是需要雇主指导才可以完成工作的
不属于个人的商业行为
所以他们界定ABN不适用
如果你可以详细说下你的情况
光周末工这样的信息我很难作出判断
你多提供点信息
我也可以一次性的告诉你你该做点什么

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 10:33
谢谢,具体的工作还没找到,
大概是housemaking, cleaning的parttime工作.去问都是要员工有ABN.

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 10:34
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谢谢,具体的工作还没找到,
大概是housemaking, cleaning的parttime工作.去问都是要员工有ABN.

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 10:48

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 10:04
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谢谢,具体的工作还没找到,

如果是这些工作你可以申请ABN的
连接在这里
https://www.abr.gov.au/
有什么不清楚的继续提问
选择的时候选择
other

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 11:02
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谢谢你!

申请中会问还要不要申请其他号,TFN我已经有了,其他的号需要考虑吗?  如Goods and Services Tax, fuel tax credits, Pay As You Go (PAYG) Withholding.

如果现在不申请这些号,以后如果要用到,还能申请吗?

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 11:03
8楼的那个问题是选Individual吗?

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 11:05

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 10:32
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谢谢你!

这些以后也可以申请
但是我不觉得你会需要这些

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 11:05

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 10:33
8楼的那个问题是选Individual吗?

对，你选这个就可以了
其他的适用于合伙人公司信托等

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 11:20


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谢谢,好的,下面的两个问题应该怎么选呢? 我的情况都要选NO吧.但都选NO后又是not entitled 页面,要么承担风险继续申请,要么退出申请,其他人申请时是否有这样的页面呢?

1,Have you:

•Undertaken activities in establishing your enterprise      
OR                                                                                 No/Yes
•Started trading as an enterprise/business?



Working as a Contractor


Are you applying for an ABN to operate as a contractor?     No/Yes  

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 11:25
你都需要选择yes
你的行为是商业行为
还有你的潜在雇佣关系是合同
这也是你申请ABN的目的

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 11:35
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下面两个问题,不敢自己回答了,如果错了,申请要从头来,

Working as a contractor (1)  
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Will your work agreement allow you to pay another person to perform work on your behalf? No/Yes  


Will you be responsible for providing heavy machinery to undertake your business activity? No/Yes  

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 11:41

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 11:05
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下面两个问题,不敢自己回答了,如果错了,申请要从头来,

这个我不清楚你的实际情况啊
一般来说第2个是NO
我想你应该没有什么重型机械吧
第一个说的你的工作协议是不是允许你支付其他代表你工作的人
这个在清洁和家政里面比较常见
但是你目前还没有明确的协议
我建议你2个都选择NO

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 11:48

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 11:05
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下面两个问题,不敢自己回答了,如果错了,申请要从头来,

补充下有些合同会禁止转承包
或者是有条件转承包

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 11:52
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都选NO后有下面两个问题,

以我的理解,第一个选YES,第2个不清楚.
你的意见是?


Working as a contractor (2)  
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Will the payments you receive be based on a quoted price that you provide to persons making use of your services? No/Yes  

Will you be responsible for the cost of rectifying any defect in the work you perform? No/Yes  

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 12:01

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 11:22
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都选NO后有下面两个问题,

2个都选yes
这个是ABR在判断你是不是符合ABN要求
第一个说的是你以后的收入是不是有你报价
第二个说的如果你的服务有任何问题，你是不是负责相应的纠错成本

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 12:05
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我是PR,下面的问题是YES吧
Is the applicant a resident of Australia for tax purposes? No Yes

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 12:09
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两个问题,
Does the applicant want to register or be endorsed for any of the following?
(See field help for important information)   
Fringe benefits tax
Luxury car tax
Wine equalisation tax

   
If the applicant uses, or intends to use the services of a tax agent, what is the tax agent's registration number?  
   
(You may find this number on the applicant's last tax return. If you can not find this number, leave this field blank.  )

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 12:11

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 11:35
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我是PR,下面的问题是YES吧

这个选择yes
这个其实和你是不是永居无关
这里就不一一解释了

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 12:14

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 11:39
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两个问题,

我不觉得你需要注册这些税
附加福利
豪华车税
红酒税

第二问的是你需要税务代理服务不，这个你自己决定吧

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 12:21

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 11:39
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两个问题,

税务代理负责税务管理策略
退税等等
我建议你暂时忽略
以后不懂的就多问问

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 12:22


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到了填个人信息的页面

What is the Individual/Sole Trader's trading name?

(Trading name is the name the Individual/Sole Trader trades under, or that is known by suppliers or customers. It may be different from the Individual/Sole Trader’s legal name. It may be the trading name the Individual/Sole Trader has registered with other government departments. If the trading name is the same as the legal name, leave this question blank. Do not use 'As Above'. )

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 12:23

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 11:52
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到了填个人信息的页面

你注册过你的生意名字没有？
没有的话就填写你自己的名字

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 12:39
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Where is the Individual/Sole Trader's main business location/address?
填自己的住址吧,
如果以后搬家,要把新地址通知管ABN的哪个部门吗?

What is the Individual/Sole Trader's postal address for service of notices and correspondence?
This is the address where government departments and agencies will send notices and correspondence.   
As Above (same as business address)   

这个是选As Above吗?

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 12:56

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 12:09
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Where is the Individual/Sole Trader's main business location/address?

对的
填写目前的地址就可以了

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 13:06
我是选Contractor/Sub-contractor,还是To receive payments for services?

Why is the Individual/Sole Trader applying for an ABN?
Please select the reason that best describes why the Individual/Sole Trader is applying for an ABN.



New business in Australia
Select this reason if you have never been in business before (nor had an ABN) under the same business structure in Australia.

Investment Purposes
Select this reason where you are setting up for investment purposes.

Purchased existing business
Select this reason where you have purchased or taken over an existing business.

Contractor/Sub-contractor
Select this reason where you are contracting/sub-contracting your services.

To receive payments for services
Select this reason where you require an ABN to receive payment for services.

Change in business structure
Select this reason where the legal structure of your business has changed, for example, from a partnership to a sole trader.

Other circumstances?
Only select this reason if none of the above reasons apply.

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 13:08

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 12:36
我是选Contractor/Sub-contractor,还是To receive payments for services?

Why is the Individual/Sole  ...

选择new business
你目前合同还没有眉目不是？

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 13:13
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选了New business后,同一个页面出现一个问题:Is this your first time in business in Australia? 选YES吧?

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 13:17

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 12:43
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选了New business后,同一个页面出现一个问题:Is this your first time in business  ...

你从来没有在澳洲有生意的话
选择yes

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 13:37
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选了后,有下面这些问题:

1, From what date does the Individual/Sole Trader require its ABN?
  是随便写个今天以后的日期吗?

2,If you intend for this business activity to be less than 3 months, on what date do you expect to cease activity?
  不填吗?

3,What is the main Industry in which the Individual/Sole Trader operates?
  有很多选项供选择,我理解最合适的应该是Accommodation and food services,?


  

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 13:44
p.s.
除了做清洁,还有什么工作需要ABN ?

比如zhan0112是bean counter,  你的老板要你提供ABN 了吗?

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 14:06
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4,Describe the main activity from which the Individual/Sole Trader derives the majority of its business Income.
   (Also describe the main goods produced or the main services provided by the Individual/Sole Trader. See Field Help for   examples. )


关于这个问题,field help中这么介绍:


The entity's main business activity is determined by the activity that earns the majority of their income.
Based on the answer to the previous question, the entity will need to provide a more detailed description of the main business activity.
The information listed below will help the entity to describe their main business activity.

Construction
General construction – if the entity is in the construction industry, provide details of the types of construction activities that are being carried out (for example, house building, office construction, telecommunications infrastructure construction, roadworks).
Construction trade services – if the entity is in the construction trade services industry, provide details of the types of construction activities that are being carried out (for example, carpentry services, bricklaying services, concreting services, fence erecting service, plumbing services, earthmoving services).
Wholesale or retail industries
Wholesaling is the purchasing and on selling of new or used goods to other businesses (for example, selling meat purchased from other businesses to butchers, selling purchased mobile phones and other telecommunications goods to retailers, selling purchased stationery to newsagents, selling of goods on commission such as auctioning of livestock).
Retailing is the purchasing and on selling of new or used goods mainly to the general public (for example, grocery store, supermarket, furniture retailing, florist, antique shop, buying and selling of goods via internet to the general public).
Education and training
If the entity provides education, describe the type of education it provides. Examples include preschool education, combined primary and secondary school education, technical and further education, university education, adult education operation, lecturing in law, dance teacher.
Health and social assistance
If the entity provides health or social assistance services, describe the type of service provided (for example, dental surgery, occupational therapy service, general medical practitioner, chiropractor, welfare counselling services, nursing home, aged care home).
Agriculture
If the entity obtains its main income from growing crops or grazing animals describe the type of agriculture. Examples include wheat farming, salmon fish farming in ponds or tanks, vegetable growing in greenhouses, dairy cattle farming, beef cattle feedlot farming.
Farming methods include undercover farming, for example, greenhouses, and onshore and offshore fish farming. If a mixture of activities are undertaken which contribute similar income, list all the main activities, for example, grain-sheep or grain-beef farming, sheep-beef cattle farming or apple and pear growing.
Mining
If the entity is in the mining industry describe whether the mining activity involves extraction or exploration for minerals, oil or gas. Also describe the types of material mined or explored for. For example, coal mining, oil and gas exploration, gold mining, silver-lead-zinc exploration, stone quarrying, gravel and sand mining.
Manufacturing
If the entity is in the manufacturing industry describe the types of products it manufactures. For example, poultry products manufacturing, textile weaving, clothing manufacturing, hearing aids manufacturing, baking of bread on the premises, pesticide chemicals manufacturing, wine manufacturing. You also need to provide details of the types of materials used for metal, aluminium, wood and plastic products manufacturing. For example, steel pipe manufacturing, aluminium door manufacturing, metal washer stamping, steel wire extracting, wooden furniture manufacturing, granite bench tops manufacturing.
Service entities
If the entity provides services to only one other entity describe the services it provides to the other entity. For example, supply staff to a related entity and pay the wages of the staff, supply administrative functions to the related entity such as bookkeeping services and pay the expenses of the entity.



这个问题我的预备回答:
supply cleaning services to a related entity and pay the expenses of the entity.
有其他建议吗,呵呵

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 14:08

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 13:36
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4,Describe the main activity from which the Individual/Sole Trader derives the ...

cleaning services 就可以了

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 14:10
我现在填了这些信息,如果以后真做生意, 其他行业,需要ABN, 这些信息还能改吗?

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 14:18
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Will the Individual/Sole Trader pay royalties, dividends or interest to non-residents OR report investment income paid to Australian residents?

Yes?No

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 14:20

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 13:40
我现在填了这些信息,如果以后真做生意, 其他行业,需要ABN, 这些信息还能改吗?

可以的
你需要使用以下表格
NAT2954-03.2010 ADD A NEW BUSINESS ACCOUNT
NAT2955-03.2010 APPLICATION TO CANCEL REGISTRATION
NAT2943-03.2010 CHANGE OF REGISTRATION DETAILS

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 14:21

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 13:40
我现在填了这些信息,如果以后真做生意, 其他行业,需要ABN, 这些信息还能改吗?

或者申请AUSKEY
在线修改

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 14:55
申请成功,感谢zhan0112 的耐心指导{:4_108:},没有你的帮助,我真不知道怎么一步步完成哦~,THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
BBS卧虎藏龙.

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 15:12


申请下来了,还是觉得有点奇怪,明明是business number, 顾主会向雇员要求, 雇员只能硬着头皮申请一个, 顾主要ABN的目的是什么呢?

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 15:13
两个人盖到50楼,哈哈哈哈~

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 18:53

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 14:42
申请下来了,还是觉得有点奇怪,明明是business number, 顾主会向雇员要求, 雇员只能硬着头皮申请一个, 顾主要 ...

我们通常理解下的雇佣关系受到很多法律的规定和保护
比如1年有4周带薪年假
2周带薪病假事假
最低9%养老金
等等,这里牵涉的内容很多我就不一一说了

如果2方的关系是合同的话
双方只需要按合同操作就可以了

澳洲有明确的法律规定强迫雇员使用ABN是违法的
也有法律规定某些职位不得使用等等

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 20:18


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谢谢解释,
估计顾主要cleaner员工使用ABN是违法的.

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 20:46

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 19:48
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谢谢解释,

你的理解有误
如果建立在双方自愿的原则上不是违法
只是目前市场上有些人的做法比较不近人情
我有业内的朋友告诉我
25一小时的活到最后可以变成10一小时

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 20:55

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 19:48
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谢谢解释,

澳洲有很多形式的雇佣关系是不受最低工资保护的
最后祝你找工顺利

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作者: zhan0112    时间: 4-4-2012 20:59

lovemybrother 发表于 2012-4-4 19:48
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谢谢解释,

在转承包的过程当中数字的变化
也就是合同的原始价格可能是6000一年
经过2个转承包
到你手上有可能就是3000了
原始价格你自然不会知道
所谓的老板是不会告诉你的

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作者: lovemybrother    时间: 4-4-2012 21:04
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那么至少我的直接老板给的钱和合同中写的数目一样.

存不存在合同中写一个,给钱时少很多?

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作者: babymilo    时间: 24-8-2012 19:33
想问你一些申请的问题，是号码马上就有了，还是要等？我按着你们的步骤来的，很有用。是不是还要等他寄信给我啊？

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作者: waterfrowl    时间: 7-1-2014 20:14
很实用的帖子,谢谢回复者,那么不厌其烦.

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