Positive way to this question, as u r young .....and have teenager face .. 作者: duval 时间: 20-1-2012 23:20
觉得事情很奇怪!盼更详细的情况!作者: jasongaga 时间: 20-1-2012 23:22 回复 MicMic 的帖子
写信去投诉 成本小 效果好作者: Nzheng 时间: 24-1-2012 14:13
顶你啊,一定要把这件事弄到底,这的确是关于尊严的问题,你要是真把这事弄大了,拿个几万澳币的赔偿不是问题的作者: crystal_huang 时间: 24-1-2012 14:31
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if you have your ID and you are over 18, the retail has no right to refuse your purchase. Even when they suspect you will give your purchase to someome who's under age, they still CANNOT refuse your request. What you should do is, ask her name and her manager's contact details, with a smile of course, which she CANNOT refuse to provide you such information. Once she gave you these info, you kindly reminder her: you'd better start looking for jobs.作者: guanyu2011 时间: 24-1-2012 15:37
别和SB较劲作者: shaman83123 时间: 24-1-2012 19:44
中国人 在这不受欢迎 蛮正常的。。。。。。。。下次买酒 去酒吧 不到18的孩纸 记得带护照。。。。。。向我们这些80年后 无这些烦恼!作者: kanmy019 时间: 24-1-2012 19:56
我有时候也在那里买酒,不过都是男的卖给我的。。哎。。
估计一开始那个人心情不好呗,以为把你们哄弄走就好了,没想到你们真的那么认真,
所以她才说不给看录像。。哎。。下次别去那里买酒了。。作者: yxxylove 时间: 24-1-2012 20:51
你们也是...那么多卖酒的地方...看他们不爽扭头就走啊~鸟都不鸟他们~给钱不要~作者: 吉娃娃 时间: 24-1-2012 22:12
怎么会这样~同情楼主~我在阿德买了很多次酒都没有试过查ID的啊~只有casino被查的~~作者: 南方更南 时间: 24-1-2012 22:18
没办法,这就是澳洲的法律,烟和酒都是严格控制的,万一卖给了未成年人,售货员就要被炒掉,商店的执照就受很大影响,至少罚5000至6000澳币。咱们华人略显稚嫩,为了保险起见,买烟酒还是带着ID比较妥当。
另外,推荐买酒还是去Dan Murphy比较好,各种酒类齐全,价格低廉,还经常打折。作者: a20110102 时间: 24-1-2012 22:53
姑娘,等你样子显成熟时再去那店买,否则还是带上证件吧。作者: 来哒来哒 时间: 25-1-2012 00:49
这个卖酒的就是一SB 不管什么国家 不管什么样的人 都会有的 LZ不要委屈了 赶紧回家好好过年吧 作者: dukelucky 时间: 25-1-2012 12:00 本帖最后由 dukelucky 于 2012-1-25 13:25 编辑
节选了一段相关的LAW 慢慢看看吧。
Laws Relating to Minors
There are several provisions in the Liquor Licensing Act which protect minors, primarily in Part 7. The Licensing Court can take disciplinary action against a licensee who breaches the Act and can fine or reprimand the licensee, change the licence conditions, suspend or revoke the licence.
Under section 107 of the Act, a licensee is guilty of an offence if they employ a minor to sell, supply, or to serve liquor on the premises, unless the minor is a child of the licensee or responsible person and is aged 16 years or more, who is resident on the premises, otherwise licensing authority approval is required.
Licensees are required to display, in a prominent position, a notice indicating the prohibitions on supplying alcohol to minors.
In licensed premises it is an offence for minors to*:
consume alcohol (wherever obtained)
buy alcohol
have alcohol bought for them (this includes purchases made at drive-in bottle shops)
be served alcohol by a licensee, bar attendant or patron
*This section does not apply to the free supply of alcohol to, or consumption of alcohol by, a minor who lives on the licensed premises and is a child of the licensee, or of an employee.
Where a minor receives alcohol in these premises, the minor, the supplier (includes licensee and responsible person), the buyer and the seller may all have committed an offence, even if the minor is in the company of an adult, parent, legal guardian or spouse.
In licensed premises the maximum penalties provided for under the Act are:
$2500 for any minor who buys or consumes alcohol
$5000 for any person(s) who bought, at the request of a minor, alcohol for the minor
$5000 for the person who sold/supplied alcohol to a minor
$20 000 for the licensee(s) or responsible person
换个角度,你是销售alcohol的人,你一样不会卖的。
一旦卖了给minor 被抓到,销售人员,老板,卖酒执照持有人全部付连带责任,罚款范围至少$2000以上。卖酒给minor 的人至少罚5000 买酒的至少罚2000.
我们亚洲人基本长相都偏小,同样,换我们辨认老外年龄也不容易。他们敢随便卖酒给你那才奇怪了。
你换个角度想想,如果你站在他们的角度,你愿意去冒险卖酒给Minor 然后被罚款么?被罚了,至少个把月的工就白打了,还搭上老板等人罚更多的钱,甚至吊销卖酒执照,将心比心,你如果做这行生意,你愿意冒险么?
特别是这句‘‘【even if the minor is in the company of an adult, parent, legal guardian or spouse’】 我认为,他们应该是有怀疑你们之中有minor 跟着拿了护照的adult 来买酒。也就是怀疑你们4人中有minor。
你说的对,这关系到了中国人的尊严,这点我不否认。 你想挣一口气,这是对的,那就请你把关于酒精销售的law 了解清楚再为你的尊严而斗争,至少要了解了事情的原委,想想他们为什么要怎么做,他们凭的是什么。当然,或许你在这所描述的只是事情的一部分,或许真的是他们的错,你要argue他们时,你至少要有理由证据吧,看完alcohol law 的这些信息指不定就对你跟他们理论提供充分而有效的证据。
Retailer’s training obligations
All people selling tobacco products need to be given adequate
training on how to avoid selling tobacco products to underage
people. This includes training any relatives or friends who might
occasionally work in the business as well as paid employees.
Proprietors should regularly discuss with staff:
• What procedures they should follow if customers become
diffi cult when asked to produce ID. Role-playing some of the
situations that might arise can assist staff in this area.
• The consequences if they are found to have sold cigarettes
to an underage person.
Some employers fi nd it helpful to develop a store policy and
procedure.
Suggested employee procedure
Do a visual check
Visually check to make sure the customer appears to be
18 years or over. It is good business practice to ask to
see ID if you think the person looks under 25 years.
Ask to see identifi cation
If there is any doubt about the person’s age, it is mandatory
to ask for proper ID. If the person is the legal age, they
probably won’t mind showing suitable photographic ID. Suitable
identifi cation should carry a name and date of birth, and a
photograph. A driver’s licence, proof-of-age card or a passport
are all acceptable forms of identifi cation.
Check identifi cation carefully
Check the birth date. Make sure it has not been altered
in any way, e.g. erased, typed over, smudged or cut out and
replaced. Compare the photograph to the person. Be sure the
physical characteristics match those of the customer.
If in doubt, don’t make the sale
If the person can’t produce a valid identifi cation, regardless
of the reason, DO NOT make the sale.
Be informative
The person will understand your position better if you explain
it. Show them the store policy and signage. Explain the law
and the penalty that applies.
Seek manager support
If the person still does not accept your refusal to sell, suggest
they talk to the manager. Often this will discourage an underage
person from persisting.
这是一般售烟的店的员工都要签的类似的文件。
Example of a store policy
Our store strictly supports the minimum age laws
governing the sale of tobacco products.
We do not intentionally sell or supply tobacco
products to anyone under the age of 18 years.
If we suspect a person to be under 18 years of age
we always ask to see photographic identifi cation.
To help this store uphold the law, you, as an
employee, must follow this procedure:
1. Visually check for the legal age.
2. Ask to see ID of anyone appearing to be
under 25 years of age.
3. If unsatisfactory, do not make the sale.
4. Be fi rm but polite.
5. State the store’s policy.
6. Remind them of the law.
I have read and understood our store policy on
selling tobacco products. I am aware that as
an employee I am also liable and can be fi ned
for breaches. I have been informed that it is an
offence to sell tobacco products to people under
18 years of age and I will not knowingly sell
tobacco products to anyone under this age. I will
check the identifi cation of anyone who looks like
they might be under the age of 25 years.
Signature: Date:
If in doubt, don’t make the sale 虽然这是卖烟的guidance 这句话可以体现出卖酒的人为什么最后不卖酒给你们了。 manager 99% 的可能性是帮自己的员工的,因为他们的所作所为是在帮他们的store避免罚款的风险。